Rod and Karen,
This is one of the best episodes I’ve heard. I commend your authenticity, frankness, and courage at sharing your relationship and personal struggles and awakenings. I saw a lot of me in how Karen described herself (I definitely understand the exercise healing). You both show that this podcast is not just about news, or humor, or fuckedupness (I’m an English teacher, so I KNOW that’s not a word, ha ha!). This podcast is about being human and navigating a world that can be beautiful and devastating at the same time. Thanks so much for all that you do. I plan on leaving five stars as much as I can.